Their latest move is installing queuing machines in their
branches, but don’t think they are simply making sure everyone is served in
order of arrival.
When I first came to Portugal, the first question was, where
can I open a bank account? I got the answer that just about every new expat got
at the time, go to the Banco Espirito Santo in Faro, they have a lady who
speaks English. It was a long way from Albufeira, but they had “a lady that
speaks English”. Now it’s no problem to find someone who speaks English, the
problem is finding anyone to help you face to face.
I am sure she has long retired, but then so has the bank.
Shrouded in controversy they closed, but then have so many banks. In fact, the
mergers in the Portuguese banking system during this period led to important
changes in the structure of the banking market.
Well-known names
disappear from the high street
In March 2000, the group Banco Pinto e Sotto Mayor and Crédito Predial Português, were ‘merged’. The bank
BPSM was bought by Banco Comercial Português (Millennium BCP). This was
followed by a joint takeover bid for the entire capital of Atlântico. In
June 2000, Atlântico was incorporated into BCP. In 2000, BCP also acquired
Império, together with Banco Mello. At the same time, BTSM Investments was
acquired by Caixa Geral de Depósitos and Crédito Predial was eventually
acquired by the Spanish banking group Santander.
These operations generating profound changes in the
structure of the Portuguese banking market.
There are other names that have long disappeared from our
high streets. I used to use the Portimão branch of the Banco Nacional
Ultramarino. Inside there was a long balcony, enough room for ten or twenty
clients to be served, a vast room full of desks and people, some of whom would
get up to serve you. No sign of computers, these were the days of personal
service. The Caixa Geral swallowed them up.
Spanish banks take
over international names
Lloyds Bank had a quite large presence in Portugal but were
incorporated into Banco Bilbao Vizcaya. Barclays had 84 branches in Portugal,
but they were taken over by the Spanish group BankInter. The Spanish Banco
Popular was also taken over by Santander.
So many names have disappeared, and most of them will claim
the same reasons, the advance of technology. Strangely, according to the
official records there are something like 150 banks in Portugal, but the vast
majority are either online banks, credit institutions (still technically banks)
credit card issuers such as UNICRE etc. For the vast majority of us, a high
street bank, with physical branches near at hand, are our day-to-day choice.
The major high street banks are now, Millennium BCP, Caixa
Geral de Depositos (the government bank), Novobanco, Banco BPI, Santander and
BankInter (ex Barclays). Banco BIC is present on some high streets, but they
can’t match the top banks in terms of branches. Millennium BCP will tell you
they are the largest bank in Portugal, Santander say the same thing.
So what’s the
difference?
Sadly, very little. The big banks all have one ‘agenda’.
Reduce staff and automate everything. Banks are installing what the
manufacturers call, Bank Queue Management. What you may believe is that these
systems you find at the door of the bank are to make sure everyone is seen in
order of arrival.
Sadly, that is far from true. These systems are designed to
prioritise customers who will make the bank most profit. If you want a loan, or
a mortgage or credit card, you will be seen as quickly as possible. If you want
to deposit a cheque or draw money, you go to the back of the queue. One person
realised that people arriving after him were being seen first (Millennium).
After an hour he gave up and left. Another person waited three and a half hours
to make a cash withdrawal (Santander).
The bank will tell you that they have machines to do these
‘minor’ tasks. These days the Multi Bank machine in the branch will probably
accept deposits in notes, some of the larger branches have machines that will
take coins as well.
ATM machines
everywhere
There is no accurate figure of exactly how many Multi Bank
machines are available in Portugal, but it’s in excess of 12,000. They are
owned by SIBS, which in turn is owned by all the banks, so MB machines are not
bank specific. They are however different. The machines installed in a bank
branch will probably accept the deposit of bank notes and cheques. The banks
want these machines to do everything that would have previously taken up staff
time. That way they can reduce staff, and that’s something they all seem to be
doing. Add to that the banks internet site and app, and they would like you to
do everything online, and not at the branch.
It’s worth noting that there are new machines popping up
everywhere, normally Euronet. ‘Euronet Worldwide’ is a Kansas-based business
that specialises in “global electronic transactions.” It’s also likely the most
expensive way you’ll ever access your own money as a visitor. They are still
free to use for a Portuguese bank account, but visitors will pay high fees, and
these charges are far from ‘transparent’. One popular visitor website says
‘Avoid Euronet ATMs like the plague’.
When did you last see
or use a cheque?
The online sites and apps are very good, you can do a lot
from home and it’s convenient and quick. Add to that the newer facilities, such
as MB Way and if the banks get their way, you won’t set foot in a branch. Now
you can pay someone by just transferring the funds phone to phone. Cheques are
a thing of the past. Just waive your MB card in front of the machine, you won’t
even need to sign for smaller amounts such as your morning coffee.
If you do go to a branch, and there still some operations
the machine can’t offer, the queuing system is going to make you wait to speak
to someone, they don’t want to employ staff to do minor tasks. Of course, if
you are a high net worth client, you will get special service and probably a
special branch not open to the smaller client.
It’s not ‘politically correct’, but the reality is that
there are two levels of service, it all depends on what you are worth to the
bank.
Resident in Portugal for 50 years, publishing and writing about Portugal since 1977. Privileged to have seen, firsthand, Portugal progress from a dictatorship (1974) into a stable democracy.
I have had only the worst possible experiences with Portuguese banks. Appalling how they treat clients and prospective clients. Hard to feel anything but contempt for these banks and their unworkable, impossible systems right now. This needs government intervention.
By Derby ODonnell from USA on 23 Oct 2022, 01:12
Very good piece and all very true. One thing that wasn't mentioned was the exorbitant "management fees" charged by Portuguese banks. As described in the article, we get no service and we receive no interest on our deposits. How long before we are charged to withdraw our own money? I see MB cash points disappearing at a rate of knots whilst Euronet's are growing. Beware, these banks are a cartel and consumers are suffering.
By Andrew Cartwright from Algarve on 23 Oct 2022, 08:16
May I add a personal observation to Mr. Luckman´s helpful article. I possess an SNS certification of 74% disability which should give me priority at retailers but this is rarely observed at branches of Portuguese banks which seem to regard handicapped customers as a nuisance especially after the recent judgement in a northern Tribunal that there is an obligation at each address for a w.c. to be provided for their use. Yet strangely the same banks still require personal attendance at a balcony for the signing of forms and instructing letters which could easliy be dealt with by post or through the internet. Yet, having been forced to make a journey to the branch one is told that decisions and complaints can only be dealt with by the "head office" which may require a telephone call which I am unable to make because I suffer , like many elderly people from retarded speech and xerostomia.
Fortunately, I still retain an international account at LloydsTSB with whom I will have banked for seventy years in December 2022. Here I find an excellent
human service with an account manager designated to deal personally with any operational problems . With the imminent conversion of most financial services to management by Artifical Intelligence , banking may soon become more of a hazard than it already is.
By Cavaleiro R. from Other on 23 Oct 2022, 11:20
My online bank, but to change the limit on the card you must call. It's not online banking when you have to make phone calls to solve half the problems. The banks here are terribly backward.
By SS from Porto on 23 Oct 2022, 12:12
Are there any banks in Portugal which do not charge a fee for the privilege of looking after my money ?
By Yitshak from Algarve on 23 Oct 2022, 13:30
Why would the bank branches remain if money becomes virtual? Welcome to the digital world.
By Annie from Algarve on 24 Oct 2022, 07:34
I find this type of article laughable, written by an out of touch dinosaur harking back to a bygone world. Automation and digital technology allows a bank to offer a better, faster, securer and often more convenient service than the outdated and costly paper and branch network approach. You have to change with the times, or otherwise become an irrelevant museum piece.
I almost never phone, email or contact my bank as I can do nearly everything online. The author might as well call for cars to be banned and all transport to be undertaken by horses and donkeys. Just ridiculous!
By Billy Bissett from Porto on 24 Oct 2022, 09:54
After the Espirito scandal and Cyprus stole 40% of peoples money I would not trust more than a few euros in a Portuguese bank
By James from Algarve on 24 Oct 2022, 10:17
Credit Agricola in Tavira is excellent, very he!pful. I wish British banks were as good.
By Carl S from Algarve on 24 Oct 2022, 14:06
Euronet should be banned They must be bribing governments heavily for otherwise in all of Europe all bank ATM machines are replaced by Euronet machines which rob you and there are no ceiling on their charges and no government regulation to control or monitor their looting the public. It is open robbery I am surprised how governments not only close their eyes buy they are allowed to replace bank ATMs leaving no choice to the public I places like airports and sea ports
By Sundara from Lisbon on 26 Oct 2022, 01:53
Very very disappointed with my bank Santander. They have closed 2 of our local branches (Estoi and Moncarapacho) and advised to use Olhao. There is hardly any staff, some appearing to being dealing with issues on their phones (perhaps personal issues?) Hours have been reduced to Monday to Friday 8.30 to 1pm, chat bot as useful as a chocolate teapot with a loop so you can't chat to a live person so expect long delays or watch people just give up. I have been to the branch in Faro and the experience is far more pleasing. I am looking for a Portuguese bank that offers good service, low charges and capable online facilities. Answers on a post card please.
By DAvid Clark from Algarve on 29 Oct 2022, 06:29